Talk:Nachos

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Where invented

The article says nachos originated in Puerto Rico but were invented in Mexico.

Factrenderer (talk) 16:45, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Rico's of San Antonio claims that the "Ball Park Nacho", nachos using cheese sauce, were invented by their founder Frank Liberto in 1977. This is not correct. This Wiki page says that Frank Liberto "marketed" this version of nachos at Arlington Stadium, introducing the dish to Howard Cosell, and thereby bringing it to the public in 1977. This is correct.

I created what I called "Fast Food Nachos" when I was a part time employee of "The Taco Spot" in Valley View Mall, Dallas, Texas, in 1974. The restaurant owners were looking for a way to serve nachos from a small steam table based operation similar to old Taco Bell's, etc. We did not have time or facilities to assemble and broil (or even microwave) a plate of traditional nachos by the order.

I was a big fan of our competitor's (Famous Ramos Hot Dog Place) chili cheese dog on which they used a canned cheese sauce. One Saturday I borrowed a can of that cheese sauce from Famous Ramos, microwaved it, put it on some broken taco shells along with some jalapenos, and gave it to the bosses. They loved it and it was on the menu the next day - broken taco shells and all. A couple days later I decided to put some refried beans on before the cheese. Gave that to the bosses, same story - on the menu the next day. "Would you like to try our new bean and cheese nachos, just 15 cents more?". At this time no one we served had ever seen this style nacho.

Although the owners were very happy to have found a use for all the broken taco shells they soon realized how "Cheesy" (pun intended) this was and bought a deep fryer so we could fry our own tortilla chips. Anyone who visited Valley View Mall in the 70's or early 80's may also remember our automated taco frying machine in the front window.

I stayed with the company for a couple of years after high school, eventually leaving in 1979. My "Fast Food Nachos" were a top seller and a heck of an add on item that boosted sales in all the stores. We sold the heck out of them in Taco Spot Restaurants (later renamed Picante's) in Valley View (Dallas), Town East (Dallas), Ridgemar (Ft. Worth) and Greenspoint (Houston) Malls.

Although there is no real way to know if I was the very first to think of putting hot cheese sauce on chips, everyone thought so at the time. Mike C. in Dallas, TX. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bipeman (talk • contribs) 22:42, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

General discussion

It is said by many residents of Texas that Nachos originate there.

It is unlikely that the original name was Nacho's Especiales as Spanish does not use the apostrophe to denote ownership. also the translation for specialites is 'especialidades' in castellano at least.

Nachos would be nacho plural.

It sounds to me more like he was trying his best to speak English for the American women, and "Nacho's specials" came out 'Nachos especiales' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk • contribs)

Olives? I've never seen or heard of olives as a topping. Lefty 01:26, 2005 Mar 16 (UTC)

Then you never went to Taco Bell before they went cheap. ;-) --Roger McCoy 18:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Where is the sour cream?

Some people, experienced with Tex-Mex food, say that "nachos" are corn chips, cheese and jalapenos. Adding additional ingredients turns them into "panchos", which implies that someone named Francisco first though of putting beans etc. on them. ("Pancho" is a common nickname for "Francisco", as in Pancho Villa.) They are usually called "loaded" or "deluxe" nachos on a Tex-Mex menu, although I know of at least one restaurant where you can order "panchos" https://order.chuys.com/menu/chuys-arbor-trails/products/30451729 . I mention this only to confuse the issue :-) Wastrel Way (talk) Eric

Not totopos or nacho cheese

I edited the page yesterday but the changes were reverted. The reason given was that I had to be factual, but all I was doing was changing things already there which are not factual, for example:

1) In Mexico they are not called "totopos". Totopos are the tortilla chips, not the nachos (see the wikipedia entry for totopos!).

2) Nacho cheese is not a thing. The chips are covered with cheese, so it should just say cheese.

3) Since this "nacho cheese" does not actually exist, it does not come from Mexico. Nachos is a Tex-Mex food item, and as such all processed "nacho cheeses" come from the US.

4) "Salsa" is just the Spanish word for sauce, so the entry should read that they have sauce on them, because that is what salsa means.

In the "see also" links, there should be a link to Tex Mex food, and NOT to Mexican food. How can I make these changes without having some moderator reverse them? I don't want to give the impression that I'm trolling, but it's frustrating that I make a change to improve an entry and have it reverted by a mod.Alfachino (talk) 14:16, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Can you find a reliable, external source that supports what you have written above? I'm not doubting your knowledge, but Wikipedia likes proper sourcing. HiLo48 (talk) 22:30, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I have removed the bits about Nacho Cheese being from Mexico, it is indeed a Tex Mex product (which is sourced by the US companies that produce it), and no sources were listed for it's supposed Mexican origins. The onus is on the one who added it to prove this is true, not to show that it is false. Livingston 06:53, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

"Microwaved rat" ? Is this an alternative to under the salamander? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.208.61 (talk) 06:06, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Tex Mex

To User:Opus88888 please explain why you continue to undo my sourced edits without explanation. You have not justified why nachos are not Tex-Mex cuisine: the source you give says they were created in Mexico- which I'm not arguing against. In fact, one of the sources I give, also mentions this. Your source does not give any indication of it belonging to Mexican cuisine. While both sources I give clearly state nachos are Tex-Mex. I want dialogue so we can come to a consensus. Xochiztli (talk) 05:10, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

You were the one who began to change the original edition that had sources, not me. --Opus88888 (talk) 12:16, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

The original change I made didn't change any sourced content, you gave a source (as I've said, it says that nachos were created in Mexico). I replace your source-which doesn't addess whether they are Mexican cuisine- with sources that say they are Tex-Mex and then you proceed to undo my edits without explanation. What gives? If you are so adamant about them not being Tex-Mex give sources that clearly state so. Xochiztli (talk) 15:24, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Xochiztli, if you mean vaguely discussed, then that is was. While your sources provide the term "Tex-Mex," it fails to verify its origin. However, in other sourced texts, it explicitly says that it was first made in Mexico. So judging by that, I am not sure that those sources for Tex-Mex are credible given the fact that little to no information of its origin is provided. Here's a discussion. Please explain. Thanks. Savvyjack23 (talk) 05:13, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

User:Savvyjack23, it seems the issue has been around defining Tex-Mex. From what I can tell, the most common usage is as a generalized term for the cuisine of the Southwest US (not just limited to Texas). In addition, the term is sometimes extended to include northern Mexico (specifically the border region). As to nachos being Tex-Mex, it's not just those sources, that's how it's usually classified in cookbooks. However, including one of those as sources seemed less credible to me. The first source clearly states they were first made in the border city of Piedras Negras, Coahuila, as do a lot of other books that classify the dish as Tex-Mex (examples 1, 2, 3). Nachos are a pretty trivial topic, I don't think you're going to find a deep analysis of why they are or aren't Tex-Mex. Again, the problem lies in the ambiguity of the term (even the Tex-Mex article doesn't have a solid definition). I have no desire whatsoever to argue about what Tex-Mex means. I just see that nachos are commonly classified as being part of that cuisine in published sources. Just because it was first created in Mexico doesn't automatically qualify it to be part of the world heritage cuisine of central Mexico (which is what the article seemed to imply at one point). Xochiztli (talk) 20:48, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Creator

This edit changes the creator in the lead section from Ignacio "Nacho" Anaya to "Jose Chio Lu" [sic]. The edit summary is too long, so the source given in it is cut off. In the future, please cite sources inline.

Searching based on the partial URL, I came up with this article, which is apparently a machine translation of the original. The article credits waiter Ignacio Anaya, "guided by" chef "Jose Evan Chio that time Lu". Our well-sourced version skips the chef and puts it all on "maître d'hôtel, Ignacio 'Nacho' Anaya".

The new source cites a brief Zócalo Saltillo story from 2013. Our version cites longer stories: One, credited to the OED resercher working on the etymology of the name, from 1999, in OED News and the other (telling a substantially identical story) a 2002 San Antonio Express-News article.

As the new edit claims a conflict of interest ("By proving the truth. My Grandfather was the chef at El Moderno who created the "nacho" that Ignacio guy took the credit for it.") and creates confusion in the article (with the lead and body telling different stories), I have reverted the edit.

Comments on how we should approach this? - SummerPhD^v2.0 15:16, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

• My opinion: The OED is still on board with the version we have.[1] Searching around, I find minor variations to the core story, some including the "guidance" of the chef, others not. Many of the articles including the chef still hang the title of "creator" on Anaya. I have not found longer stories in reliable sources that include the chef. A plaque in town apparently credits Anaya. Until such time as coverage in reliable sources regularly involves the chef in the creation (in some capacity other than vague "guidance"), I don't see us including him. - SummerPhD^v2.0 15:16, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Types of cheese

Shredded cheese is not a type of cheese any more than sliced bread is a type of bread. Specific varieties of cheese should be identified, not simply forms that cheeses may take. Keith D. Tyler ¶ 20:31, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Mexican Cuisine

The article starts off stating nachos are Mexican cuisine, yet the main image is some nonsense from Malaysia. I think it would make much more sense to depict nachos in their traditional mexican form, and put the malaysian "nachos" in a gallery. 2601:243:C001:49E0:812F:A86C:4146:4264 (talk) 17:40, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

There is no "traditional Mexican form", as the dish further developed its popularity and ingredients in Texas (and elsewhere in the United States) rather than in Mexico. It would be more accurate to describe it as Tex-Mex cuisine rather than Mexican cuisine. Crasias (talk) 09:50, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 25 December 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: procedural close; requester has been blocked as a sock, and no other editor has supported the proposal. Dekimasuよ! 15:48, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

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Nachos → Nacho – =Wikipedia articles use the singular form. Amogus girl (talk) 01:02, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

• oppose - The dish, which this article is about, is called "nachos". -- Netoholic @ 08:41, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose I can’t ever recall hearing the dish referred to in the singular form. Also, WP:SINGULAR does make exceptions for terms always used in plural form and I see this as one 9f those cases.--65.92.162.81 (talk) 14:27, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

World record servings

I submit that the section on word records sized nacho servings are trivia, bordering on advertising. HiLo48 (talk) 04:24, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 January 2025

Change "Mexican dish" to "Tex-Mex dish". The term "Mexican dish" does not match the sources. The sources make a clear distinction between nachos and Mexican cuisine. 170.39.110.181 (talk) 00:52, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

 Done Cannolis (talk) 02:34, 20 January 2025 (UTC)